Comments on: Is it so far gone? http://mpwilson.com/2009/08/14/is-it-so-far-gone/ Mon, 21 May 2012 22:40:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Gil Vander Voort http://mpwilson.com/2009/08/14/is-it-so-far-gone/#comment-2973 Gil Vander Voort Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:00:02 +0000 http://mpwilson.com/?p=3842#comment-2973 Unfortunately there are some recruiters out there that have to make x amount of calls per day. Some of them also have to have x amount of candidates screened or slated to their "pipeline" for a particular position. This may be one explanation. Another is that the recruiter is merely incompetent. There are many people out there like that within many lines of work. They try out recruiting for a while and if/when it doesn't work out they move on to something else. Sounds maybe like the guy forgot about one important requirement, Oracle, and then tried to use a little smoke and mirrors to clean up after himself. Either way there has to be some morals there. Some recruiters and some people in general just don't have morals. As a recruiter myself I have bumped into other recruiters that simply have ZERO morals or respect for the candidates they work with. The worst example is when you find that another recruiter has already submitted your candidate for the position you were planning to submit him for. You then realize with the confirmation of the candidate that he did not give that recruiter permission to submit him anywhere. It should surprise me that people would do stupid things like that but it doesn't surprise me anymore. It is unfortunate that you have to navigate this side of the recruiting industry. Not fun I am sure. Keep it up. It will happen soon enough! Unfortunately there are some recruiters out there that have to make x amount of calls per day. Some of them also have to have x amount of candidates screened or slated to their “pipeline” for a particular position. This may be one explanation. Another is that the recruiter is merely incompetent.

There are many people out there like that within many lines of work. They try out recruiting for a while and if/when it doesn’t work out they move on to something else. Sounds maybe like the guy forgot about one important requirement, Oracle, and then tried to use a little smoke and mirrors to clean up after himself. Either way there has to be some morals there. Some recruiters and some people in general just don’t have morals.

As a recruiter myself I have bumped into other recruiters that simply have ZERO morals or respect for the candidates they work with. The worst example is when you find that another recruiter has already submitted your candidate for the position you were planning to submit him for. You then realize with the confirmation of the candidate that he did not give that recruiter permission to submit him anywhere. It should surprise me that people would do stupid things like that but it doesn’t surprise me anymore. It is unfortunate that you have to navigate this side of the recruiting industry. Not fun I am sure.

Keep it up. It will happen soon enough!

]]> By: MikeWilson http://mpwilson.com/2009/08/14/is-it-so-far-gone/#comment-2957 MikeWilson Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:11:38 +0000 http://mpwilson.com/?p=3842#comment-2957 Indeed they can. But recruiters are in a particular position. They stand between me and work. Programmers themselves are leaf-nodes in the process and basically are free to act like scumbags (not that I think more of them in any inherent way, it's just that their integrity doesn't stand in my way the way a recruiter's can.) It's gotten to the point where it's really my expected experience, which drives me out of my mind. Indeed they can. But recruiters are in a particular position. They stand between me and work. Programmers themselves are leaf-nodes in the process and basically are free to act like scumbags (not that I think more of them in any inherent way, it’s just that their integrity doesn’t stand in my way the way a recruiter’s can.)

It’s gotten to the point where it’s really my expected experience, which drives me out of my mind.

]]> By: Kris Johnson http://mpwilson.com/2009/08/14/is-it-so-far-gone/#comment-2956 Kris Johnson Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:42:02 +0000 http://mpwilson.com/?p=3842#comment-2956 Definitely not somebody I'd want to work with. But before we pile on recruiters too much, it is worth noting that there are plenty of programmers who would gladly say "Yes, of course I know Oracle" or whatever else it took to get into the interview. Programmers can be lying scum too. Definitely not somebody I’d want to work with.

But before we pile on recruiters too much, it is worth noting that there are plenty of programmers who would gladly say “Yes, of course I know Oracle” or whatever else it took to get into the interview. Programmers can be lying scum too.

]]> By: LeeAnn http://mpwilson.com/2009/08/14/is-it-so-far-gone/#comment-2955 LeeAnn Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:41:20 +0000 http://mpwilson.com/?p=3842#comment-2955 H has been contacted by a few recruiters who were interested in getting his quals and info and then never contacted him again. I figured they just needed warm bodies to pad their results with. "Look, boss, I've developed serious business relationships with all these people!" One guy tried to convince H he should go three states over, on his own dime, to join "a group of five other very qualified candidates like yourself", to see an allegedly prospective employer. We did the barest of research on said employer and found out he wasn't even close to being in H's field... or any field he could be considered for. It was ridiculous. I'm kind of burnt on recruiters now. H has been contacted by a few recruiters who were interested in getting his quals and info and then never contacted him again. I figured they just needed warm bodies to pad their results with. “Look, boss, I’ve developed serious business relationships with all these people!”
One guy tried to convince H he should go three states over, on his own dime, to join “a group of five other very qualified candidates like yourself”, to see an allegedly prospective employer. We did the barest of research on said employer and found out he wasn’t even close to being in H’s field… or any field he could be considered for.
It was ridiculous. I’m kind of burnt on recruiters now.

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